I was a guest today on Michelle Hoover’s podcast, the 7am Novelist, along with fellow GrubStreet Novel Incubator alum, Hesse Phillips. I was nervous, but in the end, we had fun (I think?).

You can listen to the episode here.

Special shout outs to Rebecca Makkai, Matt Bell, and Save the Cat!.

Sometimes a person has to go a very long distance out of his way to come back a short distance correctly. -The Zoo Story, Edward Albee